Re: [ALSC-Forum] Re: Direct vs. Indirect elections

[Eric Dierker]

Jeff,

I need some help here.  As you know I have been given a ball to run with,
Outreach/Consensus building.
I do not and cannot also carry the finance ball.  Please run with it. As I was
told, "we don't need your suggestions at this time we need your actions".  This
may seem like a strictly GA matter but it is not.  As this forum will presumably
be shut down at the time of MDR we need to keep the bottoms up method working and
there is just one need financially.  Please give it some thought then take action
and get it done.

As for being upset, I am from birth a southwesterner in the US and very rural to
boot.  "Dang it" is a phrase we would use when seeing a pretty filly, hearing good
music or doing somethin right for the first time, it is like saying "we have not
been getting it until just now and now we know how it should be".  It is just a
regional thing, I think in Missouri it is just a polite cus word and a good
preacher would disapprove of its use. I could no more get upset at Joanna than I
could be pleased with Luis T.

Eric

Jeff Williams wrote:

> Eric, Joanna and all stakeholders or interested parties,
>
>   Let us not get all upset Eric.  Joanna's questions is a good one.
> As the "Outreach" person for the DNSO GA, we are looking to you
> for some of the help to answer Joanna's question.  We are hoping that
> through your wonderful efforts that you will be able to grow the
> awareness for stakeholders that are currently not participating to
> be able to participate!  How is that coming BTW, Eric?
>
>   It is been long true the the ICANN BoD and staff have by in large
> been lacking in doing much to gain participation by stakeholders.
> Many have said and believe this is by design.  I am one of those.
> But we whom are participants must try to help the ICANN BoD
> and staff in this important endeavor.  We [INEGroup] have only to
> see that our members and other interested parties thwarted by
> that same ICANN BoD and staff as is evident on the DNSO GA
> and Bob Davis and James Touton's permanent banning from participation
> by Harald Alverstand, now the Chair of the IETF, but at that time
> was chair of the DNSO GA.  We also now see that the ICANN BoD
> and staff through it's ALSC wishes to limit the stakeholders to
> a mere 50k members all of which must be Domain Name holders.
> That of course is hardly representative as most of us know.
>
>   This cannot stand of course!  So Eric, you have a rather large
> task ahead, and little time to spend here responding to Joanna
> or anyone else.  Time to get your hushpuppies on and start
> the door knocking, gaining and growing the awareness of
> new here to fore non-participating stakeholder of interested
> parties and gathering funding for the DNSO GA.
>
>   A suggestion for you to possibly concentrate on Eric in your
> task(s).  Begin with working on getting New.net recognized
> in the BC (Business Constituency) and their customers aware
> that they too are stakeholders that should be participating.
> After all most of them are Domain Name holders and I believe
> on last count there were 16m of them.
>
> Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > Dang it Joanna,
> >
> > We are working on a project that involves sub locations for internet
> > connectivity otherwise known as Internet Cafe's.  By the end of next week we
> > will begin approaching Institutions like the UN to help fund this in and out
> > reach.  It is really quite difficult to manage and by tuesday we will begin
> > conferences.  The statistics indicate one billion users through these
> > channels.
> >
> > But as users, or dotcommoners we must be patient.  I want a shoeshine boy
> > from Kabul to be the first voter.  We will not rest but we shall be patient.
> > This is why I have hire my able assistant Brooks although we have be
> > sidetracked as of late.  But we will give a good showl.  As Jeff has said so
> > well us dotcommoners own this net and we will control it soon.  Take heart
> > the AL will soon dictate terms.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Eric
> >
> > Joanna Lane wrote:
> >
> > > I concur. One cannot simply avoid the fact that there are internet
> > > stakeholders out there who have nothing to do with the Domain Name
> > > Registration business and will not even be aware that an ALSC exists.
> > > What is the proposal to reach this group about issues in which they will
> > > have an interest?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Joanna
> > >
> > > on 10/19/01 11:09 AM, Sandy Harris at sandy@storm.ca wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > L Gallegos wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> This discussion completely ignores those who have email access
> > > >> only, wihch is a sufficiently large number of people from many
> > > >> countries, that it must be addressed.
> > > >
> > > > Good point. The earlier suggestion of a PGP web of trust would
> > > > allow those people to vote. No web-based solution does.
> > > >
> > > > I think this means that a web-based solution is at most an
> > > > add-on, something we do for the convenience of certain users,
> > > > while an email-based method is a requirement.
> > > >
> > > >> On 18 Oct 2001, at 13:10, Sandy Harris wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Bruce Young wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> Will it scale to the millions of potential voters, many just end
> > > >>>>> users with limited access to limited machines, and many not
> > > >>>>> speaking English?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> So we engineer a client browser plug-in that prompts for language.
> > > >>>> I imagine if ICANN asked the public, no small number of developers
> > > >>>> would be willing to donate time to engineer this for us.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Perhaps, but it is not an easy problem, given the variety of
> > > >>> languages, and browsers, out there. Also, I don't think it is at all
> > > >>> clear either that many developers would want to donate time for this
> > > >>> or that we should be asking them to, rather than paying them for any
> > > >>> work we want done.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On the other hand, many browsers already have multi-language support
> > > >>> and forms support and SSL/TLS enecryption/authentication security. It
> > > >>> is not clear we need a plugin, perhaps just a carefully designed set
> > > >>> of web pages and some translation work.
>
> Regards,
> --
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