From: Jeff Williams
Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] Re: Direct vs. Indirect elections
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 16:48:22 -0700
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Eric and all stakeholders or interested parties,
Eric Dierker wrote:
> Dear Esteemed Mr. Williams,
> Again I find reason to agree with all your comments even though the advocate in me would
> like to argue some minimal points.
> Yes you are right it is uncompensated and un authorized at this point. Just as the
> continuation of the WG-Review is and was. Just as Joop and Sotiris and most of Danny's
> work is. Just as the Best Practices and Outreach is. Just as Elisabeth's work was in
> large portion. What authorization is required to do good works and help your fellow
The answer lies in what the situation is. As I understand it, the situation
to which you are suggesting that I take over the funding of (Whatever?),
is where the problem actually lies in part. But only in part. Even if I knew
what is is that I am supposed to be funding, which presently I do not,
than it would also depend of if I would have a conflict of interest,
and at a minimum a vote of confidence from the body or enterprise
in which these funds are to be used for. Presently I believe that
the funds you are requesting of for the DNSO GA as general
funds. I would need the authorization for the ICANN CEO
and the support by vote of the ICANN BoD to legally conduct
such a funding effort. None of these to I have any knowledge
that I or anyone else has in this specific respect. However I do
believe that the DNSO GA can in and of itself create it's
own funding, and should do so.
> You of all people have demanded and lived by what you consider the
> authorization of doing what is right and for that we are all authorized. Shoot I do not
> think ICANNWATCH and ICANNBLOG are authorized. Certainly I have no authorization to
> conduct outreach and consensus building.
You do have authorization to do outreach and consensus building from the
WG-Review. In addition all of us should be working on doing outreach.
> My company and it's great leaders (not me)
> certainly did not have authorization to expend time and money to help the cause.
What cause? What money? Where's the money for what cause?
> Roeland and David have received no compensation except knowledge of doing right.
I believe this is correct. But until or unless that Motion put forward in the
GA is voted upon we really do not know if it is right. However I believe
that is is right. I will be voting for it when a ballot is provided on the GA.
> Technically they are not authorized to participate in the GA, as spokesman for the
> INEGroup which is not a member of any constituency you are not authorized to be there.
> But God help us without you!
The MoU authorizes me and anyone to participate. Ergo, I am failing to
get your point here realistically. A constituency, regardless of whether or
not is is an ICANN "Authorized" Constituency is a constituency none the less...
> It is like Sierra Madre' "Badges what badges? we don't need no stinkin badges". It is
> like the King of the Jews let his crown be of thorns. Franklin, Jefferson, Washington
> and Hamilton were not authorized.
Yes Eric they were indeed authorized in the sense that they were amongst
a large group of individuals that formed the Continental Congress..
> Certainly neither Ghandi nor Ho Chi Minh were
> authorized or compensated.
Of course they were. The were elected by their constituents.
> I do not believe we consider Davie Crockett or Mother
> Theresa as compensated or authorized.
Davie Crockett was a paid congressman. Mother Theresa got her
compensation from the Catholic church and in other ways.
> Now you can pick each portion of this apart or you can go with the gist. As us boys
> say, fish or cut bait.
I do both at the same time most often! >;) I have INEGroup responsibilities
as well as a number of others.
> But know this; if you start cutting up this post with precision
> you will be cutting bait while the rest of us are fishing.
Well I hope you catch a big one! >;) BTW, skin them yourself please.
> Jeff Williams wrote:
> > Eric and all stakeholders or interested parties,
> > Eric Dierker wrote:
> > > Jeff,
> > >
> > > I need some help here. As you know I have been given a ball to run with,
> > > Outreach/Consensus building.
> > Yes on the GA you are. Keep plugging! >;)
> > >
> > > I do not and cannot also carry the finance ball. Please run with it. As I was
> > > told, "we don't need your suggestions at this time we need your actions".
> > I would love to do so. I would of course need in the current ICANN
> > structure the authority to do so however. Presently I don't have
> > that authority either from the ICANN BoD or the DNSO GA.
> > When and if I have that, I would be happy to do so if there is
> > proper compensation by which I have a good opportunity to
> > make it happen. I await that call and opportunity. So, it is
> > unfortunate and with some dismay that I must consider
> > this request one that has no authority nor provides even
> > the minimum of compensation to achieve any reasonable
> > goals. Therefore there is no means by which I can
> > except this request with all due respect. I DO appreciate
> > the thought however. >:)
> > > This
> > > may seem like a strictly GA matter but it is not.
> > Very true.
> > > As this forum will presumably
> > > be shut down at the time of MDR we need to keep the bottoms up method working and
> > > there is just one need financially. Please give it some thought then take action
> > > and get it done.
> > Again no authority or means, I cannot and do not except at this time.
> > >
Jeffrey A. Williams
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CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
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